Ep. 78 - She-Hulk Premiere

00;00;54;00 - 00;01;17;09 Kate It's time to heat up your frozen dinners. Grab your TV tray and settle in for another episode of The Plus. Lets tune your podcast for all things Disney Plus. Brought to you by Disney Plus fans. Watch along with us every week as we cover all the new, the old, the good and the bad on Disney plus. So put down that remote. 00;01;17;09 - 00;01;26;22 Kate Don't touch that dial and welcome your fabulous plus platoon host, everyone. 00;01;26;22 - 00;01;45;22 Derrick Welcome to the Plus Platoon. We're a Disney Plus fan podcast that gives honest, spoiler filled reviews of movies and shows on Disney Plus. We look at new releases coming attractions, and we'll even go back into the vault to revisit some of the classic Disney that's on the platform. Make sure you're subscribed and you will never miss a moment. 00;01;46;17 - 00;01;50;04 Derrick I'm going to bring in Pete. Pete. How are you doing this evening? 00;01;50;15 - 00;01;55;25 Pete I'm doing great. I'm in Myrtle Beach, but I couldn't miss a chance to hang out with my tuners tonight. 00;01;56;07 - 00;02;02;03 Derrick Yeah. Next we've got Sam. Sam. How's the evening going? 00;02;02;18 - 00;02;08;08 Sam Good. I couldn't miss a chance to miss out with my two nerds this evening. I mean, souvenir. 00;02;09;06 - 00;02;14;10 Derrick Oh, Sam. Well, we got three of us this week. 00;02;14;13 - 00;02;15;10 Sam That's right. 00;02;15;14 - 00;02;18;01 Derrick Back. Mike, right to see you back. 00;02;18;22 - 00;02;20;00 Micah Thanks for having me back. 00;02;21;18 - 00;02;38;15 Sam Yeah. It is so good to have Micah back. Our resident Marvel expert, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever we're talking Marvel stuff, we we always try to have Micah here because he can give us that deep dove into the comics that the rest of us don't really have. Yeah. So. 00;02;38;18 - 00;02;42;09 Micah Misspent youth. Yeah. 00;02;42;09 - 00;02;43;13 Pete Well spent youth. 00;02;44;07 - 00;02;44;20 Micah Yes. 00;02;44;29 - 00;02;55;23 Sam You never, you know, you never knew when you were reading all those comic books that Disney was going to recreate them all at some day. And you were going to have a place on a podcast like this. 00;02;56;04 - 00;03;06;00 Micah It's yeah. I thought that, you know, I was always going to be the oddball and suddenly it's become cool and popular and it's one of those cool and popular came to me, not me coming to it. So it's weird. 00;03;07;13 - 00;03;11;09 Sam Yeah, I would have thunk it, right? Exactly. What would be cool? 00;03;12;19 - 00;03;30;09 Derrick Yeah. Guys, if you haven't already, please, like, subscribe, share like this on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. We are all over the place. You YouTube everywhere we are. Plus Platoon. So just search plus platoon. And there we are. Sam, we've got a little bit of Disney plus news this week. What we got going on. 00;03;30;09 - 00;03;50;29 Sam It's time for the Disney Plus News. So we have an announcement that the word love and thunder is going to be released on Disney. Plus, on September 8th, which is actually Disney Plus Day. You know, it joins the new Pinocchio as announcements that have been made for that day. So we all have we'll have Thor, Love and Thunder, we'll have Pinocchio all on September 8th. 00;03;50;29 - 00;03;57;00 Derrick And I think there's also going to be that's when the new Mater and Lightning Cars series comes out also. 00;03;57;00 - 00;04;25;23 Sam Yes, that's right. Yeah. So we'll have a lot of good stuff that day. Plus, there'll be tons of announcements about what's coming in the next couple of years with Marvel, with Star Wars, with everything on the platform or lots of stuff on the platform. So in other news, Avatar's actually been removed from the Disney Plus platform because it's being returned to the theaters for a rerelease prior to the sequel to Avatar being released to movie theater. 00;04;25;23 - 00;04;39;01 Sam So this is a bit of a cash grab by Disney for all we know. But you know, Avatar was a great movie and I would kind of want to see it in a movie theater again. It's better on the big screen. 00;04;39;17 - 00;04;42;23 Derrick Great. Is is the big statement. 00;04;42;26 - 00;04;49;17 Sam I liked it. It was fun. It wasn't like, I don't know. It's still like Schindler's List or anything. 00;04;50;12 - 00;04;50;19 Pete Well. 00;04;52;04 - 00;04;56;01 Sam But it's like it's not a deep movie, but it's like a fun adventure. No. 00;04;56;15 - 00;05;00;03 Pete It's no Pocahontas. Wait, it is spoken on. 00;05;01;05 - 00;05;06;01 Derrick The hot burn going. 00;05;06;01 - 00;05;21;02 Sam And last but not least, Disney Plus is developing a live action King Kong. And it would explore the origins of Kong as well as Skull Island. We know if this is a TV series or will be. 00;05;21;02 - 00;05;23;27 Derrick A dramatic TV serial series. 00;05;24;10 - 00;05;26;23 Sam Interesting. So, yeah, so we'll see. 00;05;27;04 - 00;05;34;29 Pete That one confuses me because I'm pretty sure that Universal has the rights to at least the movie rights for King Kong. 00;05;34;29 - 00;05;36;17 Sam So maybe not anymore. 00;05;36;17 - 00;05;37;05 Pete Maybe not. 00;05;37;06 - 00;05;38;09 Derrick Have rights. 00;05;38;14 - 00;05;47;25 Sam Remember how, like everybody used to say, Oh, isn't Anastasia Disney? And you'd have to say, No, it wasn't. Yeah, well, but now it is, right? Like everything of it like this. 00;05;47;25 - 00;05;49;17 Derrick It's not a Disney movie. 00;05;49;18 - 00;05;55;02 Sam Everything but everything eventually gets owned by this. So some. 00;05;55;02 - 00;05;56;23 Derrick Including us someday. No. Anyway. 00;05;58;03 - 00;06;02;27 Pete We're waiting. We're waiting. Yeah. 00;06;02;27 - 00;06;19;12 Derrick All right. Thanks, Sam. Well, guys, this week, as we have discussed, we have She-Hulk has premiered. We have one episode of She-Hulk. And I'm going to start with Salma. Was this a banner start to the series? 00;06;20;02 - 00;06;43;15 Sam You're so punny. Derek was the try and or star. Okay, so I guess so because it had Bruce Banner in it. Right. You know, I'm going to say this one was a mixed bag for a start. I don't think it grabbed me like some of the other Marvel series grabbed me from episode one, although I would say Moon Knight didn't really grab me from episode episode one. 00;06;43;15 - 00;07;09;28 Sam But this one like it was complete background, right? It was just telling us how how She-Hulk became She-Hulk and how she's back, like working her regular job as a lawyer and in society rather than off trying to control her anger. There were some real funny moments in this story, but I have to say I wouldn't call it a banner start. 00;07;09;28 - 00;07;30;10 Sam To be perfectly honest. I thought it was kind of never. I really didn't like the origin story. I'm going to spoil this right now. So if you haven't watched this, please, we haven't watched She-Hulk premiere episode. Just stop right now. Go watch it and then come back to us in about 35 minutes because it's a pretty short episode. 00;07;30;10 - 00;07;55;21 Sam But I mean, they get in a car accident because there's a spaceship and then she's got a cut and Bruce has a cut and his blood drop drips directly onto her cut just by happenstance. And because they're blood mixes now, she's a She-Hulk. I just thought that was really just super pedestrian, like a really dumb way to give her powers. 00;07;55;21 - 00;08;22;06 Sam Like, they couldn't have come up with some better story, I'm guessing. And I would love for I'm going to pass to Mike after I finish talking because I'm sure he's going to be able to tell us how She-Hulk really was created in the comics, because I'm sure that it couldn't have been this stupid. But yeah, so I just I thought that part was just, like I said, just dumb. 00;08;22;22 - 00;08;42;14 Sam And the other part that I didn't like about this, I like, like I said, there were some funny moments. I like the actress, don't love the CGI. I'll be honest about that. It's just too much of it. So it looks too fake. It doesn't look realistic enough. I would have rather they'd done some of this was just theater makeup and less CGI. 00;08;44;05 - 00;09;10;10 Sam But I also don't like that we didn't get like any plot yet. I mean, we got at the very, very end, right? We get her her her closing argument being interrupted by a by a super villain, and that's it. But we really don't get any other plot. We just get this origin story. So yeah, it's like I said, it wasn't horrible, but it didn't capture me. 00;09;10;10 - 00;09;35;00 Sam I didn't really like the origin story, but it had some really funny moments. And actually my favorite moment was her explaining to her She-Hulk because I can't remember what her name is. She-Hulk explaining to Bruce why she can control her anger and what? Because she's a woman and has had to deal with controlling her anger basically her entire life. 00;09;35;00 - 00;09;50;07 Sam Because I very much related to that explanation. I think most women will very much relate to that explanation. So, Mike, did you think it was a banner start? And please tell us what is the real origin story of She-Hulk in the comics? 00;09;51;16 - 00;10;27;10 Micah So I think you nailed it with saying that it it is a new start. I felt like we needed the second half of the episode so that there was some sort of plot development and we didn't get there. The start is a little different, but it is a transfer of blood in the comics. There's actually more backstory. Her father, who was a sheriff, had a run in with a a gangster who then later on shoots her after her father's dead. 00;10;27;10 - 00;10;51;09 Micah It's sort of a revenge thing. And as she's dying, Bruce comes in and they have the same blood type. So he actually intentionally gives her his blood. And because his blood and her blood mix and there's gamma radiation, then she becomes the Hulk. So slightly different, it felt like they were trying to get rid of backstory and speed up the story. 00;10;51;29 - 00;11;12;25 Micah But it's kind of the same kind of, oh, blood transfer. And suddenly you become a hulk, though we have seen this in the MCU with Hulk's blood for other things. So in the earlier movies that were before the MCU, I think for both the embodiment of the abomination and I think the other guy is called the commander, I can't remember his name exactly. 00;11;13;08 - 00;11;32;22 Micah Both of them had a bit of blood dripped on them and they banner's blood seems to if it doesn't kill you, it transforms you in some way. Stronger it stronger. Yeah. The one guy, it makes his head huge and his. Yeah. Able to do all sorts of things that way. The other one makes him into another big monster. 00;11;32;22 - 00;11;58;15 Micah So Origin story is probably similar. I find it interesting that they're tying in the. Yeah. Where Hulk has been in the past, in his past. Maybe catching up with him with the spaceship there. But other than that, the story I thought you hit it on the head was sort of. Yeah. And Jessica Walters is is her name so saying it's a banner start to emphasizes her completely. 00;11;59;10 - 00;11;59;20 Derrick For. 00;12;00;03 - 00;12;02;29 Micah Jennifer. Oh sorry I said Jessica my sorry Jennifer Walters. 00;12;02;29 - 00;12;15;27 Derrick Yeah first thing my thought was this is not Deadpool Marvel. This is not Deadpool. Stop talking to the camera. And if you're going to talk to the camera, at least try and be funny. 00;12;16;21 - 00;12;22;06 Micah Well, the funny thing with that is he is modeled after her, not the other way around. 00;12;22;12 - 00;12;24;26 Derrick Okay, awesome. This didn't work. 00;12;24;26 - 00;12;25;20 Micah You didn't think it? 00;12;25;20 - 00;12;30;01 Derrick Word night? I think it was. To me this was annoying rather than. 00;12;30;12 - 00;12;37;09 Sam Yeah, I didn't dislike I didn't hate it, let me put it that way. I didn't love it, Derek, but I didn't hate it. What did you not like about it? 00;12;38;03 - 00;12;53;09 Derrick It was an eyeroll moment. It's a really you're going to use that overused trope within. It reminded me of Zack Morris in Saved by the Bell, to be perfectly honest. Which didn't work then either, but it. Oh, no, come on. 00;12;53;11 - 00;12;59;16 Sam It ain't so take it back. Take it back. Don't you defame Zack Morris in Saved by the Bell. 00;13;00;02 - 00;13;02;10 Derrick Oh, come on. You know, I've always been a street guy. No. 00;13;02;10 - 00;13;11;10 Sam Anyway, I bet you were. You had a crush on Kelly Kapowski. Come on. You know, I never. He did. Yeah. 00;13;12;25 - 00;13;37;04 Derrick I was. I was almost not quite old enough. But anyway, that didn't work. As you guys have said, there was no plot. There was no plot. And I understand they have to get through nine episodes of this rather than six. Maybe that's why it was short and chopped off, but not a great start for me, Pete. 00;13;37;06 - 00;13;41;15 Sam But then why did they not release two episodes, right? Like, if they're going to have a short episode, I. 00;13;41;15 - 00;13;43;19 Derrick Have to go until October for some reason. 00;13;44;03 - 00;14;14;08 Pete Oh, yeah. I don't. I don't know, I. Yeah, what occurred to me about this was it was both too short an origin story and also too long at the end of an origin story. Like it was very rushed, but I also felt like it kind of dragged. So I don't know if they should have just skipped it and had, you know, if they're going to have her talk to the camera anyways, just have her like in 30 seconds say, yeah, I got Bruce's blood got in me and I too. 00;14;15;20 - 00;14;32;11 Pete But but then there was and there were so many hand-waving moments. I mean, you talked about the they're getting the blood dripped on her. But there were like, oh, she's the same. She's the same as a Hulk. You know, her personality is the same as the Hulk, as in Hulk form as she is in normal form. Oh, yeah. 00;14;32;19 - 00;14;34;04 Pete And then no explanation, right? 00;14;34;09 - 00;14;35;09 Derrick Oh yeah. 00;14;35;18 - 00;14;56;23 Pete Right. And like, you know, oh she can do all these things super easy. Oh yeah. You know, and just a lot of like, I almost wish they didn't try to explain it at all rather than explaining it so fast that it didn't make any sense. I, I was not turned off by it, I guess. I'm like, I'm like, damn, there were moments of it that I enjoyed. 00;14;57;22 - 00;15;23;09 Pete I do know it's supposed to be more of a TV series in which each episode is going to have like a different story, as opposed to a lot of the Marvel shows, which are one line movies, one long movie. So I'm kind of looking forward to that. But yeah, this first episode was not something that made me say, I can't wait to watch the rest of it. 00;15;23;21 - 00;15;50;18 Pete Which, you know, I kind of felt that way after both Moon Knight and Ms.. Marvel, I really enjoyed the first episodes of those a ton for Ms.. Marvel. Not everything worked after that first episode, but this one is kind of the opposite. The one thing I'll say to me, it didn't bother me that the special effects were kind of not superb because to me this is TV. 00;15;50;18 - 00;15;55;04 Pete So, you know, I don't know. It was good. To me it was good enough. 00;15;55;19 - 00;16;12;26 Sam Yeah. I don't think in the marvel, you know, if you're in the Marvel universe and you're going to do special effects, I don't care if you're on TV or if you're in the movie. It better be good, right? Like Moon Knight had some awesome special effects. And and I didn't love that show, but it had some awesome special effects. 00;16;13;09 - 00;16;14;21 Sam And that was a TV show. 00;16;15;08 - 00;16;29;24 Derrick And to me, you said, Sam, you mentioned something interesting. Why couldn't you do it as a practical effect? Why couldn't you just do it? Why does she have to always be CGI whenever she's green? Why couldn't it be at least the face, right? 00;16;29;24 - 00;16;30;08 Sam The face. 00;16;30;08 - 00;16;38;01 Derrick Just the face. Yeah. Okay, fine. Right. At least the face do practical effects with makeup. Yeah. 00;16;38;01 - 00;16;44;11 Sam And that's what they all of the old Hulk movies and series, that's what they did. They just did makeup. And there's just no reason if. 00;16;44;11 - 00;16;48;15 Derrick You're not with Mark Ruffalo, even if you're not with him. Yep. Do it with her. 00;16;48;24 - 00;16;51;09 Sam Right? Yeah. No. 00;16;52;01 - 00;16;53;23 Pete I'm okay with it. 00;16;53;23 - 00;17;03;05 Micah I liked that they didn't just do it with the makeup. I think that I looked at those old movies of The Hulk and I'm like, Oh, I'm glad we got CGI. So I was frustrated that if. 00;17;03;05 - 00;17;07;20 Sam You look at her balances and makeup now, even like the media, there is better. There's better. 00;17;07;20 - 00;17;08;17 Derrick There would be ways. 00;17;08;20 - 00;17;24;22 Micah Yeah. Yeah. But the thing I found interesting with it is like if you look at the Hulk, they've done him like they've done in the movies, and then you pan over to her and it's like they didn't quite do a good enough job with her. And a lot of fans are upset that they made her too small. 00;17;24;28 - 00;17;26;05 Derrick Small? She's not a Hulk. 00;17;26;08 - 00;17;38;28 Micah Right. And it always looks like there's the Hulk and a stick. And it didn't it didn't work. And they needed if they were going to make her smaller him in comparison, it just it didn't work with that size. 00;17;38;28 - 00;17;49;05 Sam Well she's trying to make her two feminine looking and I'm like, she's if she's a Hulk, she doesn't need to be feminine looking when she's in her Hulk form, just when she's in her lawyer form, he. 00;17;49;05 - 00;18;11;19 Derrick Just kind of ties this Sam into our next question of, okay, we've seen how she is in both forms now. Micah, I'm going to go to you on this one because you're the one with this information. Is this kind of how she was then? Are you just kind of a skinny, empty, green shadow of her self in the comics? 00;18;11;19 - 00;18;43;18 Micah Well, the interesting thing with her as the comics and I think that Deadpool is a a male version of her. So he she came out in the 1980s early I think it was 1980 where he was Deadpool, I think first came out in 91. So her role has always been a little bit lighter. And I think the breaking of the fourth wall, she does it in the comics often and it's it's seen as taking she doesn't take herself as seriously except when she's a lawyer prosecuting a case. 00;18;43;27 - 00;19;04;18 Micah But all the time as a Hulk, it's I think they're trying to bring some of the elements of the early comics. I didn't read those because I. I didn't I just didn't get into them as much until she was a part of other teams and taking it a little bit more seriously. But she's always had sort of this lighter angle on it. 00;19;04;25 - 00;19;21;15 Micah So having her. Yeah, lighter as far as the the characters that she plays up against, how seriously she takes the fights, it's all a much lighter approach. So I think they're actually sticking with some of the role of the comics. 00;19;21;15 - 00;19;41;10 Sam What about physically, though, like does she look as skinny in the comics as she does in The Hulk? I mean, it's not as the normal Jennifer, you know, does she look that skinny because she doesn't look like a like she just looks tall and I guess that shoulders but she doesn't look Hulk enough. 00;19;41;28 - 00;20;05;28 Micah I think they they didn't as we've gone on so into the 2000s they've made her much bigger some of the early ones you think about any depictions of women in the 1980s so oversexualized just bigger shoulders. I do like that they've done different style of her hair and that fits with the comics that it changed her her hair when she hulk down. 00;20;06;26 - 00;20;20;28 Micah But unfortunately, it's closer to what we had in the 1980s and not the the images that we're seeing now in the comics, which I think it's yeah, we could have skipped the 1980s and jump straight to 2022 and like, yeah. 00;20;20;28 - 00;20;22;21 Sam I want her to look like Louisa. 00;20;23;10 - 00;20;23;14 Derrick And. 00;20;23;14 - 00;20;26;28 Sam Frances and Costello. Right? Yeah. 00;20;27;07 - 00;20;28;18 Derrick And I wonder for. 00;20;28;19 - 00;20;29;20 Sam You, obviously. 00;20;29;20 - 00;21;03;11 Derrick And I want to marvel didn't have the same if someone didn't have the same issue that they did with Louisa. They got a lot of pushback on Louisa being the size she was. I agree. And I've seen comments different places on different comment boards that they were made to tone her down from the big from a Hulk to a WNBA player is kind of is honestly kind of what she reminded me of Paul you know, she's she's six foot eight and got big muscles. 00;21;03;11 - 00;21;07;25 Derrick Okay. Ooh, ooh. How is she a hulk. Yeah, I guess. 00;21;07;27 - 00;21;21;25 Sam I mean, I'm with you there. I want her to look more like Louisa. And I know they fought for Louise. That I look like Louisa looked in. In Gonzo. But to me, Louisa Green is what she Hulk should look like. 00;21;21;29 - 00;21;24;10 Micah Yes. 00;21;24;10 - 00;21;36;27 Pete Yeah. I also I wonder if there were also, like, trying to be careful about overly sexualizing the character, though. And so when she. 00;21;36;28 - 00;21;42;28 Derrick Writes that you want to pick this one up. Yeah, I think you need to pick this one up. You know, I'm resistant on this one. 00;21;43;04 - 00;22;05;23 Micah So one of the things is she is because it's sort of lighter. She is making fun of comic book readers sometimes on she is oversexualized intentionally and part of that breaking the fourth wall in the comics and making fun of things was she often would do that. And this is the comic character who like she slept with everybody in the comics. 00;22;05;27 - 00;22;26;01 Micah Yeah it's you barely have a male character who's one of the leads in a comic that she hasn't slept with. And it's part of this. She is oversexualized and she's going to make fun of that. And it's kind of this and I know what kind of a reader that I'm coming to and I'm going to make fun of you as you're reading it. 00;22;26;09 - 00;22;33;01 Micah So I'm not sure how much of that is going to come through in the comics, but I think it's going to be part of I mean, in the the TV show, but it's going to be part of it, I think. 00;22;33;05 - 00;22;54;14 Pete Well, I, I think they might just let me do one thing there. I think they might do it from a personality standpoint. But I'm wondering if they don't want to physically do that by making her really big and rip her clothes and everything like that, you know, because that's the other thing is like you notice like, you know, the Hulk, all this clothes come off, right? 00;22;54;14 - 00;22;59;16 Pete Well, for her, it was just kind of like her shoulders ripped a little at the scenes and things like that. 00;22;59;16 - 00;23;24;00 Sam So that's the she knows to wear spandex. I remember he called it off, although I have to say I didn't think her. I didn't think her trial index, her trial outfit. I will tell you, there are more breathable and stretchy materials than what she was wearing for her for her closing argument. So she didn't do a great job with her selection of suits and her selection of her button down shirt. 00;23;24;00 - 00;23;41;07 Sam I would not recommend button down shirts if you're going to Hulk out in the middle of trial should wear stretchy or if more flowy fabric than the button down. Just don't work for that. So that's my criticism about that. But I actually don't think they oversexualized her. 00;23;41;15 - 00;23;43;27 Pete No, I'm saying that they did not. Yeah. 00;23;43;27 - 00;24;05;23 Sam And but I think making her bigger wouldn't have oversexualized her. That would have only happened if they made her boobs bigger. Right. So I can say that I'm a woman, so I'm going to say that if they made her boobs bigger, then that would have been over sexualizing her. But I wanted her like overall to be bigger. Like I wanted her face to be broader, her right to be big, or her arms to be bigger, her waist to be bigger, her legs to be bigger. 00;24;06;01 - 00;24;08;25 Sam More like Lisa. That's what I mean. 00;24;09;02 - 00;24;17;28 Derrick Yeah. And speaking of using the over sexualization, can we just drop the whole Captain America sweaters? 00;24;18;07 - 00;24;46;28 Sam I loved it. I loved it because this is the thing. This is the great thing. So this is the thing. I think Michael was talking about that, too. This they actually flipped it on its head. Right. So that this this to me was one of the best things about this show. And actually the end credits scene was brilliant, but making an oversexed realization about Captain America and about how hot he is and about how he had to have gotten laid. 00;24;46;28 - 00;25;10;29 Sam Right. To me, that was actually like a social commentary. It wasn't like we were trying to oversexualized Chris Evans, right? No. This was a social commentary about you see how women are normally oversexualized. Well, how do you like it when we do it to men? Right. And that was it played into that whole discussion that Bruce and Jennifer and Jennifer had about how she has to control her anger. 00;25;10;29 - 00;25;18;04 Sam It was that to me was actually a brilliant flipping the script on this society that we live in. 00;25;18;21 - 00;25;39;01 Micah And I wonder if that's part of what this show is going for, is an appeal to this is a woman's story to women. And sometime the other three of us white older guys, we're not going to get it in some ways because we're white older guys. And this is a story written for women and an empowerment story of women in some ways. 00;25;40;01 - 00;25;44;21 Micah And maybe we're not. Three of us aren't. Maybe the intended audience, right? 00;25;44;27 - 00;26;04;06 Pete Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, and this is there's a lot of women involved with the show, right? I mean, it's not it's not a male, you know, 20, 20, 30 years ago, the entire behind the scenes crew would have been men. In this case, there's a lot of women. And I will say, like, my daughter really likes the scene where she went into the bathroom and the other girls all came in. 00;26;04;06 - 00;26;18;22 Pete They're like, Oh, what do you need? And I was like, She's like, she was like, That's exactly what it's like. If you need something, you know, the other girls will help you out. So, yeah, you know, I it, it's probably more, you know, directed at at women so. 00;26;19;04 - 00;26;39;07 Sam But but they would have been great outside right foot feet. But exactly what happens right outside of the bar, though, then brings you back to right the real world also. So this is these are some I mean, that was obviously a very cringing moment, I'm sure, for everybody. But, you know, a woman getting harassed when she's alone by four men outside of a bar. 00;26;39;07 - 00;26;57;11 Sam That stuff happens all the time in real life. Right. So the fact that she had a way of protecting herself was kind of awesome, too. Right. But it was also another sad commentary about the world we live in. So, like, I felt like like I said, there were some really great moments in this show because of these things. 00;26;57;11 - 00;27;26;12 Sam But I agree with you, Micah. I don't think that the three of you are probably not the target audience. I'm probably closer to the target audience. In fact, I might be like the microcosm target audience, but Sam also a lawyer. But so maybe the the cell. But target of the target. But I do think that, you know, I do think men can recognize these things on the screen and enjoy, you know, some of the comedy behind it. 00;27;26;12 - 00;27;35;23 Sam But I agree. I understand. Like for Derek, that was a cringing moment. And for me, that was like, I mean, the Captain America, that was like a yes moment. You know. 00;27;35;23 - 00;27;41;07 Derrick I want to say, I would have been just as crazy if they'd gone through Black Widow's conquest. 00;27;41;07 - 00;28;05;12 Sam Oh, oh, totally. Totally. No, I get that. I get that. I, I get that because you are a decent human being, Derek. But this to me was like it was, it was just about, it was a social commentary and playing a joke on that social commentary. So to me that's what it was. And that's why I thought those moments are a handful of those moments were brilliant during the show. 00;28;05;13 - 00;28;08;12 Sam Even though overall I didn't love this episode. 00;28;09;01 - 00;28;27;20 Micah And I think that's something that flipping the script is something from the comics that I think we're going to see a lot more of of who is the the person who chases after other partners. It's often the male chasing females. Suddenly we've got a hawk who's massive, who no guy is going to be able to pick on or pushed around or anything like that. 00;28;27;29 - 00;28;46;04 Micah And now she is the person who comes from power into relationships and seeks out men. And that it flips the script. And that's what she's done in the comics. And I think we're going to see that in the TV show as well. And for some of us, that's going to be like, Ooh, we're not used to seeing this and it makes us uncomfortable. 00;28;46;04 - 00;28;48;12 Micah And it's it's done intentionally, I think. 00;28;50;08 - 00;29;00;21 Derrick Pete, you were mentioning now this this episode didn't quite do it for you. What is it going to take? What do you want from the series? What's the series going to have to do to be successful? 00;29;01;25 - 00;29;37;29 Pete Well, I, I want it to continue with its lighter tone. I'm happy with it. Can it continuing to show a view from a feminist point of view or whatever you want to call it? That's all. That's all great. I really hope what they talked about the series is that what they do, which is more of a little more of a serialized case of the week type thing, because we get we've had so many of these Marvel shows that are just as we say, six hour movies that, you know, yeah, there's a cliffhanger at the end of the episode, but otherwise it's just this giant single story. 00;29;38;17 - 00;29;39;24 Pete And why are you pointing at me? 00;29;40;03 - 00;29;43;01 Derrick Because you're exactly right there on the the was you're exactly. 00;29;43;01 - 00;30;08;08 Pete Where I'm in. And I would so and I think the only show that wasn't like that was probably wandavision at the start where the shows were kind of more individual and then eventually it like summed up. So I'm kind of hoping this is going to be like that where we get like because it's Marvel. I know there's no way there isn't going to be like a big bang out of the series that they're going to sum up with at the end and connect it to everything else. 00;30;08;19 - 00;30;26;23 Pete But, you know, I hope we get a lot of episodes that are okay. I can watch this episode. I don't need to have seen the episode before or the episode after to enjoy this one episode. I would love to get that out of a marvel series and just have it feel a little different from what we've been getting. 00;30;27;10 - 00;30;28;13 Pete So Sam, you got. 00;30;29;06 - 00;30;50;22 Sam Yeah, I, I want to legal comedy, right. Like this. If this is the next Ally McBeal, then that's what I that's what I would love. I would think that would be awesome. If we get like a real not a legal drama, we've had tons of those. We don't need another law and order. But if we get a new legal comedy, I think that would be awesome. 00;30;50;22 - 00;31;16;21 Sam Like what Ally McBeal did for for lawyers was wonderful. What Brooklyn Nine-Nine has done for cops is wonderful. I mean, there are some great shows out there that have taken that approach, and this episode didn't do it for me. But I feel like it obviously has the potential in the rest of the episodes. I totally understand this was a set up episode. 00;31;16;29 - 00;31;38;13 Sam I wish it hadn't been just a set up episode. Like Mike said earlier, if it had if we'd had some plot development for another 20 minutes, I would have sat through and watched and, you know, set up for maybe the next episode would have been really nice. I feel like that set up with just the closing argument getting interrupted was just not enough of a setup. 00;31;38;13 - 00;31;47;26 Sam So I'm hoping for a legal comedy, so I'm going to hang in there. I'm going to watch a couple more episodes and we'll I'm crossing my fingers that that's what I get. 00;31;48;04 - 00;31;52;16 Micah Micah Okay. So I think what I want is plot. 00;31;53;19 - 00;31;56;22 Sam Yeah, yeah. Right. 00;31;56;22 - 00;32;20;12 Micah Think that there was, this was a set up so that we can no longer have to do any set up stuff. And it's like, okay, we got rid of the orange story. We got rid of set up of who she is, and now we can just have the plot. But I really wish they would have released a second episode to start with because it's sort of like, I don't know that people who come and just watch this are going to sort of yeah. 00;32;20;18 - 00;32;36;14 Micah So I think they needed to develop more plot and I'm really hoping so we've got her. We don't have enough of her friends or any of the world that she's in and we just need plot development. And if we can get that, I think the series has got a chance. Derek, how about you? 00;32;38;02 - 00;32;52;26 Derrick I want the stand alone episodes, but I'm also afraid that there's going to be this overtone that's going to tie it through, that you're going to have to have watched episode. You have to watch 2 minutes of episode three in order to understand what goes on in episode seven. 00;32;52;26 - 00;32;55;12 Pete Just like know that wouldn't be surprising. 00;32;56;07 - 00;33;08;08 Derrick I mean, especially because with the aliens and their with him saying that's something I've got to look into, you know, they're you know, they're coming back, you know, that will come back later in this series. 00;33;09;01 - 00;33;30;16 Micah Well, I'm not know if it'll come back in the series or if that's setting up a World War Hulk movie or something else. And I think that there might my hope is, is that they don't actually do a lot of Hulk story. I think this this tied a lot of Hulk story and put us in a particular time in the MCU and explain some back story stuff. 00;33;30;26 - 00;33;43;00 Micah But my hope is and as much as I love oh, Mark Ruffalo, I hope he's not actually in this series much. I hope it moves away from him and is more her show. 00;33;43;19 - 00;33;50;21 Derrick Yeah, and I can definitely see that as well. I do know this is the last TV show in episode in part four. 00;33;51;09 - 00;33;52;11 Pete Or phase four. 00;33;52;19 - 00;34;13;28 Derrick Phase four. So we're moving towards secret invasion. So like some plot may actually start happening within the Marvel Universe. But yeah, I mean, it's just it's going to be all of the episodes are, I think going to be about the same length that this one is. They're really 30 to 35 minutes worth of actual plot and 5 minutes of credits at the end. 00;34;14;10 - 00;34;23;12 Derrick And so I don't know, I it'll be okay. I'm actually you know what I want I'm looking forward to and to be perfectly honest. 00;34;24;09 - 00;34;41;01 Sam Well, listen, if this is going to be a sitcom length, so I'm hoping we're going to just really get a sitcom out of it. That's what I'm really hoping. I don't really need a lot of setup or tie in to the movies, like if this stands on its own as a fun sitcom, I will be happy. 00;34;41;11 - 00;34;42;15 Pete Yeah, I'm. I'm kind. 00;34;42;15 - 00;34;44;23 Sam Of. You're asking for a lot, Emma, you guys. 00;34;45;02 - 00;35;05;11 Pete No, no. And I'm kind of with Derek. I would love if, like, we had I mean, what we got eight more episodes I'd love if we had seven episodes that were not connected to anything. And then the last episode they can spend that whatever tying it to whatever's next. But let's, let's, let's give me as just say give me a legal comedy that happens to be about superheroes. 00;35;05;11 - 00;35;09;10 Pete And if you can if you can pull that off, though, that would be a pretty good show. 00;35;09;13 - 00;35;15;18 Derrick Speaking of superheroes, Micah, do we know who she was the civil case was against in episode one? 00;35;16;14 - 00;35;28;08 Micah I probably need to rewatch that I think it's she's against the the law firm I think and I don't know who other than the law firm. Is that what you're asking? 00;35;28;08 - 00;35;50;12 Sam Well, it's a corporation. So she's actually suing like the what I from what I gathered from her closing argument is she was suing either the head of a corporation, the CEO of a corporation, a man who's who she was she was trying to hold responsible for some injury to her client. So she was the plaintiff's lawyer and she was suing a male individual. 00;35;50;19 - 00;36;01;09 Sam But I think what you're saying, Mike, is the law firm that she that was against her, that was representing her, the opponent is going to play a role in the later episodes. 00;36;01;22 - 00;36;27;21 Micah And one of the things is people are wondering if this one was a set up for her in that that law firm is intentionally trying to set her up and even having Titania the titanium the woman come in and smash through justice, see her become the Hulk. And it's all a setup to get She-Hulk to be their head of their superhero defense division or whatever, which is. 00;36;27;21 - 00;36;29;15 Derrick The direction she takes in the comics, right? 00;36;30;12 - 00;36;40;13 Micah Sort of, yes. But I think that's the direction that they're taking. More with the show. It's a slightly different way that they bring about in the comics, but similar. Okay. 00;36;41;16 - 00;37;04;15 Derrick Micah, thank you so much for we will be talking over She-Hulk and probably or five weeks, see how things are going and then definitely try and get you back in for the finale. Okay, guys, next week, many, many moons ago, we had a what marvel movie. Would Derek like and the one that was actually the most recommended to me is the one we are going to watch next week. 00;37;04;15 - 00;37;25;28 Derrick We are going to be watching The War Ragnarok and Thor Ragnarok at all. So it's going to be a very fresh take for me and invite, you know, the general consensus was that I was going to like it from these two might. You think I'm going to like Thor Ragnarok? 00;37;25;28 - 00;37;31;28 Micah Yes. I think you might have gone more for Ant-Man. Might have been one that you enjoy watching Ant-Man. 00;37;31;28 - 00;37;32;14 Derrick I gave it a three. 00;37;32;21 - 00;37;33;10 Pete It was that. 00;37;33;10 - 00;37;54;27 Sam Was he actually that was the one. That one. That Pete. So Pete actually we all picked we all picked a marvel movie that we thought Derek might actually like. And then he chose at the end which one we would actually he would watch and we would review for the show. And he actually picked Ant-Man from Pete's recommendation. And he he actually liked. 00;37;54;27 - 00;38;10;28 Sam I think you're right, Myka. I think Ant-Man might be a little bit more up Derek's alley. I think Thor Ragnarok is a little bit more wacky, a little bit more on the edge for Derek. But I think he might like it. I just don't like it as much as he liked Ant-Man. 00;38;11;10 - 00;38;18;14 Micah And I think you'll like the interactions between Thor and The Hulk, but I think it's going to be a little too marvel in its action for you. 00;38;18;26 - 00;38;19;22 Derrick Yeah, okay. 00;38;20;22 - 00;38;40;23 Pete Well, I think. I think mostly the big battle at the end is a big, big battle. And I know, General, you don't like the big, nameless, faceless battles, but I think I think through most of it, you'll be entertained. It's it's a fun movie. It really it really is fun. So yeah. 00;38;40;29 - 00;39;02;12 Sam Well, I recommend recommended. Oh, my God. Now I'm blanking. Peter What? Panther. Thank you. I recommend the Black Panther because I personally just think that that's like the best movie in the MCU in general. But of course, it has battle scenes that Derek wouldn't like. But I also thought he would like some of the tech and some of the character interactions. 00;39;02;23 - 00;39;06;11 Sam I feel like there's some there are some deep characters in that movie. 00;39;07;18 - 00;39;11;03 Pete Yeah, they weren't. They were all good choices. Black Panther is an excellent movie, too. 00;39;11;11 - 00;39;11;23 Sam Yeah. 00;39;12;21 - 00;39;21;02 Derrick And we made by with Black Panther coming out. Black Panther make Black Panther one, make it a villain. So yeah. 00;39;22;00 - 00;39;29;22 Pete But let me let ask you this, Micah. We've said to Derek, you totally can skip the first two Thor movies and just go right to this one. Do you agree? 00;39;30;18 - 00;39;45;09 Micah Yes, especially the second one. So I'm watching them all with my son and we are stuck on we need to watch Thor, the Dark World. And I'm just like, Oh, I don't know if I can get through it again, but yeah, let's give them. 00;39;45;14 - 00;39;48;18 Sam Just strictly the worst movie in the MCU. 00;39;48;27 - 00;39;50;25 Micah Oh, it's not as bad as the Eternals. 00;39;50;25 - 00;39;54;11 Sam Yeah, you're right. You give me your right. It's not in that. 00;39;54;14 - 00;40;01;02 Derrick You guys really don't want to hear this. You don't really, really don't want to hear this. They're developing in Eternals, too well. 00;40;01;06 - 00;40;06;09 Pete And Ozwald said they are. I don't know if we can trust him as the expert, but. 00;40;06;21 - 00;40;07;06 Sam Yeah. 00;40;07;14 - 00;40;12;09 Derrick Well, no. Yeah, okay, I get it. Yeah, but. 00;40;12;09 - 00;40;27;03 Sam But I think actually the original thought, Derek, if you wanted to watch it, the original Thor is a really good movie. I would absolutely skip world because it's not a good movie. So it's. And you really don't need it. 00;40;27;08 - 00;40;28;14 Pete You don't need either of them, though. 00;40;29;01 - 00;40;36;07 Sam You. I agree. You don't need either of them. But I actually but but the original Thor is a great movie so and the fighting for that one to watch. 00;40;36;12 - 00;40;56;11 Micah The fun one with that one is it doesn't feel is Marvel there's a little bit of it but it's this you know, this other planet, other Norse mythology coming in and especially how clueless Thor is to where the ways of humans. I one of my favorite scenes is his mugs that he smashes and I'm just like, Yeah. 00;40;57;21 - 00;41;04;05 Sam I feel like it's more like sci fi than Marvel kind of that. Yeah the original for yeah. 00;41;05;04 - 00;41;22;28 Derrick Okay well guys as that next week we are watching Thor Ragnarok and Micah thank you so much and we will all try and soldier through She-Hulk and we'll see what we think here in about the next month. So that. Guys, thanks everyone for listening and thanks for joining us. And we will see everyone next week. Bye, guys. 00;41;23;18 - 00;41;57;04 Kate Okay, thanks for watching this week's episode of The Plus Splatoon. Be sure to subscribe to the Splatoon podcast to keep getting great content each week. Then head over to Apple Podcasts and leave those five star reviews as they help make the Splatoon invisible to even more Disney plus fans. 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